You can have the best business in the room and still be the one nobody remembers. Influence is not a follower count. It is the perception people hold of you, and it decides whether they buy from you.

Kirryn Zerna co-created The Influencers 2026 with Russell Pearson, and she returns to walk back through the morning. Six very different people took the same stage and answered the same question in completely different ways. If you were in the room, this is the recap. If you were not, this is the part that matters.

Key talking points

About Kirryn Zerna

Kirryn Zerna is a Sydney keynote speaker, author and the creator of The Connect Effect. She spent fifteen years in corporate communications, mostly at Westpac, before starting her own practice in 2016. She is a Certified Speaking Professional and the co-creator of The Influencers 2026. Her book is The Stand Out Effect.

The Influencers 2026

The event was held in Sydney, the first time it had been staged in person, around one theme: there’s more than one way to become influential. The mini series is on the Podcasts Done For You The Show YouTube channel.

Links

#Influence #Leadership #Trust #TheInfluencers2026 #Podcasting #BusinessStrategy

Transcript
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Anthony Perl: Influence.

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Let's wrap up this series.

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What is it?

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Who is it for?

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How does it help you?

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How do you actually use it?

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So many perspectives from

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different people.

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We've invited Kirryn Zerna back to wrap

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this discussion up.

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Whether you attended the recent

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Influences event or not, doesn't matter,

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you don't want to miss this episode.

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Lots of gems to unpack, lots of

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things to, to think about for

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yourself and might influence your

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clients as well.

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Influence you, influence others.

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Let's get into it with Kieran.

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Well, I'm so glad to have Kirryn Zerna

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back on the podcast.

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Kieran, welcome again.

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Uh, it's, was wonderful to have

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you, uh, uh, have you… have been

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at the event that you led a couple of

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weeks ago, so thank you for coming back.

Kirryn:

Thank you so much for having me.

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It's, uh, great to, uh, be able to

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recap on just such a great experience,

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and I'm just so thrilled to be with

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you and in your very capable interviewing

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hands, and I can't wait to what

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this conversation unfolds.

Anthony Perl:

Well, uh, I think we've

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got to start with something, and I

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think, uh, uh, I want to say too,

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there's a lot of people who are

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listening out there at the moment who

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perhaps weren't at the event, and they

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may have watched some of the videos

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and the, uh, the podcast from before.

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But I think what I want to do before

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we get into some of the heart of what

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was discussed at the event was ask

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you to describe what influence

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actually is.

Kirryn:

Well, the influencers event

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was, I reckon, a wonderful

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smorgasbord to look at influence from

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lots of different, um, perspectives.

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So, you know, we've got the dessert,

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the main… Oops.

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W- wrong way.

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Entrée, main and the dessert.

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Um, and- I'm all for starting

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with dessert, by the way.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Um, the way that I think

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about influence is that we…

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Starting with the concept of a brand,

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you know, the idea of that we know

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about, uh, say, Coca-Cola as a

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brand, and I used, um, in my session,

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used that great quote by Walter

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Landor, who was one of the guys

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who worked on that famous copywriting

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that said, "Products are made in the

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factory, but brands are created

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in the mind."

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And I think for us as leaders, as

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business owners, as, um, you know, people

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in our own right, trying to buy, lead,

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sell influence, um, when it comes to

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what is influence, it, it is the

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ability to influence the perception that

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people have of us.

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Um, to influence the, um, perception

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that they might have of us as a leader

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and our capability.

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To influence the perception that they

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might have of us as a business and what

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we serve and the value that that is.

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Um, to influence the perception

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that people have of us as people.

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So are we who we say we are?

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Um, will we do what we say we will do?

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Um, influence is like that tool

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that enables our effectiveness to

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do those things.

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So I, I think of it like a tool.

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That's probably a long answer,

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but that's how I think of influence.

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It is like a tool for us to be able

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to do the things that we wanna do.

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Anthony Perl: I, I… Yes, I

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think that's in- incredibly powerful

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as well because, you know, we, we

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kind of mentioned it in the previous

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podcast, but people tend to…

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The, the term's been hijacked

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a little bit by people who are

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jumping on TikTok and thinking that

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that- Mm … is just purely influence,

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and there is so much more to it.

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I, I, I think that, um, one of the

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interesting things about the whole idea

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of where influence can take you is for

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me, and it's one of the reasons why

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I just want to say at the beginning

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for people that are listening in under

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the Podcast Done For You banner,

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is that podcasting is such a powerful

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tool because the number one reason

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people listen to, to podcasts is for

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a shift in mindset, and that's what the

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ability is, right?

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That is what influence is, to

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shift someone's mindset, even

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if it is just a small amount.

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Mm, absolutely.

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And I, I think even what you

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were saying about influencers, like,

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like that's, that is what they're doing

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as well, isn't it?

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They're trying to shift that

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perception or shift someone's mindset.

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Um, for them it's about creating

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that story of whatever it is that

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they're trying to create it around.

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Is it about gaming?

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Is it about beauty?

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Is it about their life?

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You know, they're creating a story,

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uh, and they're using influence as

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a way to, uh, shift the perception that

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people have of that.

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But I agree with you, I think

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podcasting, um, is a brilliant way to

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go deeper onto a topic, go deeper

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into an idea.

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Um, and yeah, just a good plug for

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you, I think, um, because I think it

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allows it, you know, what you might see

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in a glossy, um, website or in a

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PDF or a brochure, um, gives you the

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surface level, but the podcast is

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the conversation that goes deeper.

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And, and when we do go deeper, that's

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when we build that trust with people,

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that's when we build that connection.

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Um, and yeah, so that not only do

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we think something differently,

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but we actually engage more deeply

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with something or someone.

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So it's a very powerful

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tool, I agree.

Anthony Perl:

Yeah.

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I think trust is, is one of the big

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themes that came out of, uh, the

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whole event as well.

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So rather than just diving in on trust,

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I want to probably go through each

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of the speakers first to take…

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give someone the, give everyone a bit

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of the key takeaways from each of it.

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And for those, again, that weren't

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able to attend the event, to give you

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a bit of an insight as to what each

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of the speakers, uh, had their,

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as their theme.

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So if we, if we can run through

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them all.

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Um, Russell Pearson, of course, who both

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of us know very well and was on, uh,

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an episode of this podcast as well.

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What did you get as the key takeaway

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from what Russell was talking about?

Kirryn:

Yeah, and even just to take

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a step back before, and I know we talked

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about this in our setup, that when

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Russell and I got together to put this

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event on, um, and I know Russell and

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I both mentioned this, it was during

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the heart of COVID when everyone was

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locked down, and it was reminding people

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of the abilities and ways that they

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could communicate, um, in their work,

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in their every day, and, uh, giving them

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tools to do that.

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And so when we designed the

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program, that was very much in mind.

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How can we, through different speakers'

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stories, insights, and ideas, give

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tools and, um, practical tips

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for people to, um, become better

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influencers in their spheres?

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So yeah, Russell was great.

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He kicked us off with the idea of

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what influence is, and again, he

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was setting that out in the concept

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of becoming the obvious choice.

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Um, what is it that we do?

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How do we become that obvious choice?

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And what are some of the strategies

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that we can use?

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And he used a great little, um, a game

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at the beginning which, um, was

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reminding us about the way that we

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prime people, um, or prime ideas.

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Um, he did his little magic

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trick, which is a great way to…

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You know, w-when we're thinking

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about if we want people to think

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something, then, you know, again,

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reminding us we need to be intentional

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about seeding those things.

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It's not about, sometimes about

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magic, it's about intention.

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And so he showed that through

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networking, through collaboration, um,

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through strategic business decisions

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that we can put ourselves as the

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obvious choice when it comes to, uh,

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people in business.

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It's funny, uh, I think it's when we

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both came up of-- This is for those

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of us that are watching online.

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I've got a little Post-it note I've

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got next to my, um, computer which says,

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"Become the obvious choice." Um, it

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is an intentional thing that we can

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do, um, to be that, um, top that people

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think of when they're thinking

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about your category or your service.

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It takes intention, and he gave some

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great insights.

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What did you get from it?

Anthony Perl:

Yeah, I mean, I think

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that it was, it was really interesting

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because I, I, I've, you know, and I've

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heard this from Russell before,

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where he focuses in on the idea of

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also connections.

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And, uh, for me, that's one

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of the keys, is actually building

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relationships with the people that

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can connect you with those, uh,

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that you might want to deal with.

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Because often we just go zero in

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on, on just, "Okay, I need to talk to

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this person." But sometimes getting

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to that person takes a roundabout way.

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Yeah.

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And I, I think when you can… And, and

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often those people that know that

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person know other people that can c-

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you can connect to and open a whole

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lot more doors.

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And I think that's one of the, the

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keys, uh, for me, was trying

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to understand how influence is about

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that broader picture of finding the

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people who might be at the top of the,

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of the tree, but they're not n- that

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doesn't mean that they are the person

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that you necessarily want to do business

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with, per se.

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And I think that was the- Yeah … that

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was the idea that I think really

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stuck with me.

Kirryn:

That's so good.

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I love that.

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Um, and you know, the meta example

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of that was working with Russell with

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this particular event, which is

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a good lesson, I think, for

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those listening.

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So Russell and I are both speakers.

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We're not event planners, but when

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we went to put this event on, it w-

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really was about using the strengths

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and skills that we both had, and

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that is so his skillset, is being

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the connector.

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Even before the event, he

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was going to networking events,

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he was talking to people, he was

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connecting them.

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Um, and he, bringing in sponsors and

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working with people, that's like his

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strength, about knowing who to ask

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and what to ask, and that really did

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bring so much to the event as well.

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So I think he not only talked about

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it, but he embodied it, and it's a great

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reminder for all of us in business, um,

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that, yeah, being able to c- create

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connections with people, um, create

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collaborations, not only brings you joy

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'cause you get to meet and work with

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other people, but it also attracts

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more eyeballs, more, uh, attention

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to the work that you're doing.

Anthony Perl:

Uh, I think that it,

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it led beautifully into, and I think

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this is one of the things that I loved

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about the event and why I think

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it's logical for us to work through

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the speakers for everyone today,

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is because there was a really nice

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synergy in the way things went from one

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speaker to the next.

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And, uh, I think hearing from Sean,

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who's obviously a long-term friend

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of yours, and I think we spoke a

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little bit about him in the previous

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podcast, but you know, that was a

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really interest- it was a really

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interesting dynamic.

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So let me start with this in saying that-

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Mm … it was very clear to those of us

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watching that you're not just a friend

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of Sean's, but you actually admire

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and he has had an influence on you.

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So d- were you aware of that?

Kirryn:

Well, yeah, certainly.

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I've, um, I think like many of us,

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we've, uh, had careers or worked

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in lots of different capacities and, um,

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working 20 years ago, it's like, oh

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my gosh, I can't believe I could

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be w- anything 20 years ago.

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Surely I was early zero.

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Um, but in fact, no, I was in the

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workplace and working in Westpac

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at the time, and you know, I was in my

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early career stage and you really do

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notice, um, leaders that bring people

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with them, leaders who make things

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happen, and leaders who also aren't very

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good . And Sean was just a, a really

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effective leader.

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He brought people with him.

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He was, um, someone that I admired,

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um, and just I've watched and tracked

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his career over the last 20 years,

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mostly on LinkedIn.

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Um, and it was actually a real

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pleasure to be able to reach out to

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him and ask if he would participate

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in this interview.

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And he really did, I think it was as

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if we just, you know, 20 years had

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passed like that.

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He was as consistent, as

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influential, as inspiring today

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as he was, uh, in the past.

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And yeah, so for those of you who

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weren't there, um, Sean is the

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CEO of the Retail Bank of AMP.

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Um, he joined the bank around the

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time of the Royal Commission, um, into

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financial services, which, uh, you

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can imagine was a particularly, uh,

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rocky time, both from a reputational

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damage point of view and also very

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unsettling within organizations.

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With my background in banking, I know

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this firsthand.

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Um, and certainly I think what he

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did in terms of steadying the ship,

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um, was significant, but also what he's

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done in the m- more recent years

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is he's launched a digital first bank.

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So he take, has taken on, uh, a

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bank which has been around for

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100 years, um, and created a bank for

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small businesses, which was fast and

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nimble and digital.

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And so he's kind of running a, a,

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a startup in a large organization.

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And you can imagine with, well, I can

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certainly imagine 'cause I've worked

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in this space, but the amount of

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stakeholders, the amount of people

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that you need to, uh, gain agreement

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from and influence to- towards

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your decision is significant.

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So it, it really was, I found, um,

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and I'm curious to hear what

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you thought, an inspiring story to

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hear how you can also take people

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on that journey when not everyone's

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gonna agree with you

Anthony Perl:

Yeah, and I think what

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I really got from listening to Sean

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as well is that, I mean, there was,

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there, there were two aspects to it as

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me, but, to, to me.

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But the biggest one was, uh, listening

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and reassurance.

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I think that, you know-- And then,

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you know, if I cap on the back of that

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is, is relationship building and not

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being afraid to go to the s- at

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the smaller level, and, uh, I've,

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I've got an example of that from my,

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from my own past.

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But I think that the key really is,

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is that listening and that reassurance

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because things go wrong in any

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business, right?

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I mean, that's obviously in a

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bigger scale when you have a royal

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commission involved.

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But any business, any day, there's

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something that goes wrong or some

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little thing that you can learn from.

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And I think being able to listen and

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reassure people and improve upon

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it means that you can build that

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trust with people because nothing is

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gonna go perfectly all of the time

Kirryn:

And listening

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reassurance and there was one thing

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that he said that I thought really stuck

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with me, which was he said, "I, in my

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role as a leader, I say I don't know

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more than this is the way it is."

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And I think, like, that takes a huge

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amount of courage, and I think it's

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a relief because it's almost a

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fallacy to think that we know the

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way all the time.

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Of course, we don't know.

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That's where we need curiosity.

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That's where innovation

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comes from.

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And it also sets the tone that,

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um, and, you know, there's lots of data

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that suggests that when we can create

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a safe workplace where people can

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say, "I don't know," or "What if?"

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or "Should we try that?" Then

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actually, that's where innovation,

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um, flourishes, and so does creativity.

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It's a, it's psychological

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safety.

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Um, so yeah, I thought that was

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also just a really great thing to

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hear from one of Australia's, you

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know, top leaders.

Anthony Perl:

Yeah, I, I think it's

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incredibly powerful as well because

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when you say, "I don't know," there's

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an easy, "Oh, he's just stupid.

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He should know that." And I think

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that's what stops us from saying

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I don't know a lot of the time.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because we like to bluff our

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way through and-

Kirryn:

That's right

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… Anthony Perl: think that we'll

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work it out.

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And, and that's one of the terrible

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things about, you know, Google

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and AI, right, is, is because-

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Mm-hmm … you kind of sit under

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the table and you do your two-second

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quick research and you hope that

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you've suddenly got the answer

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to it rather than actually knowing it.

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And I think s- sometimes when you

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say, "I don't know," either people will

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say, "Well, let me explain it to

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you," or they'll admit that they

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don't know either, and then you can

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start going, "Well, we have a problem

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here." Might be a small problem- Yeah

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… but then it's how do you actually

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resolve that and work together

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to resolve that?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, it's a great possibility

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for the future.

Kirryn:

So he was a great one, and then we

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went into another interview with,

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um, Russell.

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We kind of went from one stage s-

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side to the other, and Russell invited

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up Georgia Deb, uh, Deboos, um,

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from The Voice.

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Gosh, it's been wonderful getting

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to know her.

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She was a contestant on

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this year's Voice.

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Um, she did her first audition.

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None of the chairs turned.

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She went back off stage.

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Um, she was talking to her family, and

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a big sign came up that said, "I

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want you." And when she saw that, she

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was like, "What?

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What's happening?" She went through

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this tunnel.

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It was like, watching it on TV,

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I thought, "Gosh, how did that work

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in real life, walking through

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this weird tunnel?"

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And then she walked through and saw

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Tones and I, who was a secret judge,

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who said, who worked with her.

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She did another audition, all four

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chairs turn, and yeah, so it was

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just a delight hearing her story.

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And I thought it was, and I'm

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interested to hear what you thought

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about it, but I think particularly

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from my side, what was inspiring is

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that if you've got a gift, you've got

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something you're passionate about,

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um, there's gonna be lots of times where

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we get knocks, we get knocked down.

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Certainly for my business as

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a speaker, I get knocked down

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all the time.

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But the courage to know what you're

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passionate about, not give up, grit

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your teeth, become as best as you

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can, and try again.

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What did you take from it?

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Anthony Perl: Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, I think that whole idea of

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being vulnerable as well, I think

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that's the- Mm

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that's the thing, and I think that

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came out through a few of the speakers,

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but particularly through Georgia,

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was that ability to allow yourself to be

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openly vulnerable.

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I mean, she was in a situation on live

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national television.

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Nobody turned their seats.

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She gets another go.

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The worst thing that could happen

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is nobody turns their seats again,

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and she just-

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you know, what does that do?

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But I think by being vulnerable, it

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opens opportunities.

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It reminded me of a quote I heard a few

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years ago, which is, "Have you noticed

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how when things break, they open?"

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And I think it was, you know, that was

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really pertinent with that as well,

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where, you know, the influence that

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you can have on people is sometimes

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by being vulnerable and seeing where

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that might take you.

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And that's the… And, and I think

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that's also the lesson of, of shows

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like that as well, is because it's

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not necessarily about did you win

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the show, because that doesn't, that

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isn't necessarily what you need.

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You can do a lot of things.

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I mean, I think we've seen that with

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Australian Idol.

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A lot of the, uh, a lot of

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the people- Yeah

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who came second or third have actually

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done better than the people who won.

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Hmm.

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That's so true.

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It reminds me of th- when you s-

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it's funny you said your quote.

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I was thinking of, um, another quote,

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which is by Steve Martin, which is,

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"Be so good they can't ignore you."

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And I think it's an interesting, um,

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pathway when you're doing something like

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singing or writing or, um, speaking

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or podcasting, r- um, I'm sure you

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can appreciate from that side that when

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you are passionate about something,

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you know that you do have a gift or

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a strength in this area, and it's that

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constant working at the craft, working

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at the craft, um, and it's, it's,

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it's almost as if that she is…

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You know when you're so good you

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can't ignore it?

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So it's like, don't give up,

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don't give up.

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So I think it's kind of both.

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Don't give up, but also be real

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and, um, yeah, that sort of sense

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of vulnerability invites people in.

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Anthony Perl: Yeah, and I think

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there's a belief in yourself as well.

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I think that's the- Mm … the one thing

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that came across through all of the

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speakers, is that you have to have

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a belief in what you're passionate

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about and what you are able to deliver.

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In her case, it's singing, but in

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other cases it might just be whether it's

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speaking, whether it's delivering

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a particular product or service.

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If you have a belief in that, then

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that, and, and a passion for it, that

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can come across, and that's what

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influences others to respond to that

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Yes.

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And that was a beautiful lead-in

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to the story of, um, Jules Robinson

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and Cam Merchant.

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Um, and it's funny 'cause you, you

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wanna treat them individually, but

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they're also a bit of a package

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because, um, Jules and Cam, they

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met on Married at First Sight.

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Um, and then they… This was actually…

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It's funny 'cause they presented

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almost like it was a pair because

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their stories just matched each other

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so perfectly.

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But they don't usually do

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that- They read their notes

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Anthony Perl: before maybe.

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Kirryn: That's right.

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That's right.

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They actually don't usually do that.

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So I, I was like, "Wow, you guys could

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be a wonderful, um, you know, double

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act in a conference somewhere." But,

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um, really their stories, I think

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particularly with, um, with Jules

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Robinson, for those that don't

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know her, um…

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Well, I know her as a friend.

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I've met her in, um, I've known

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her since, uh, in my early 20s.

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And Jules was always one of those

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people you met that just always

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looked fabulous.

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Like, she always had fabulous hair.

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She was always, like, loved

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wearing fashion.

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So what you see now is ex- just who

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she's always been.

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She's always been very entrepreneurial

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and business-minded, and that is just

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the same as who she is today.

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She's always been a people person.

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She loves people.

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She's generous, she's kind, and

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she's got the best sense of humor.

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And so since she had the success

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with this… Really, the success was

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finding the man of her dreams,

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which is firstly, that was amazing.

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But when she got the media attention,

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she translated that into, um, what am

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I passionate about?

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And one was, how could I create a,

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a shape… There's a gap in the market

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around shapewear, so she created Figure.

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And then secondly, she also was very

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aware, and, uh, she told the story of

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the trolling that she received when

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she was on the show.

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So what does that mean?

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Absolute body shaming, um, for

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who she is and what she looks like

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and her style as a curvy woman, and

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I cannot imagine.

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Like, I, I don't know about you, but

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Anthony, but for me, like, I am sensitive

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if someone's like, "Ugh," you know,

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puts a little harsh comment.

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Like, but I just can't

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imagine someone-

Anthony Perl:

By the way, for people li-

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Yeah,

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Anthony Perl: it's been-

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people listening in, she put a

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lot of these comments up on the

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screen, and like-

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Yeah

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… Anthony Perl: oh my God, like I

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can't believe s- that peop- I can't

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believe people write that kind of stuff

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and feel that they can just publicly

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write things to shame someone who

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was just putting themselves out

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there and, and doing a wonderful

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job, by the way, and, and, uh- Yeah

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it's the first and only season

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I've watched of that show.

Kirryn:

Um, it was- Oh,

Kirryn:

really?

Anthony Perl:

Yeah.

Anthony Perl:

It was, it was, um, but it, but it was

Anthony Perl:

really interesting to see that

Anthony Perl:

reaction and how she responded to it,

Anthony Perl:

and what she took from it as well,

Anthony Perl:

that, you know, on one hand, I think it

Anthony Perl:

probably toughened her, but also-

Kirryn:

Hopefully

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Anthony Perl: um, you know, and

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it, and it has an influence on how

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she then delivers and, and wants to

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show up each time.

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Correct.

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And I think to have people saying awful

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things about you and your family, again,

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is just next level.

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But then I wonder if you get to the point

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where you know that whatever you do,

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and as she said it, she said, "I could,

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um, step forward and people would have

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good and bad things.

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I could step back.

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I could step to the side." You know, it

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doesn't matter what she does, people

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have a comment.

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So it's interesting, isn't it?

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Imagining for each of us, like what

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would you do if what other people said

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just didn't matter?

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Like what would you do?

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Would you, um, influence more?

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Would you create more?

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Would you be more creative and…

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'Cause I have seen that in her.

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She's like, and that is what her

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story was, she's like, "I focus on my

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why, I know what's important, and

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I'm gonna do it no matter what." And

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it's almost like, as you said, it's

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strengthened her, it's galvanized

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her, and so not only has she created a

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business, but she's created a movement,

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and she is, I guess, a, a great voice

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and a message for body empowerment.

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Um, she's put that focus and attention

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to support lots of charities,

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um, who support women in similar

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situations, and yeah, I've just, you

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know, w- were you inspired by that?

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Anthony Perl: Absolutely.

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And, and, and it's funny, when you talk

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about the movement part of it, that's,

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that's really an interesting part

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for, for me as well, is, is that because

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she's created…

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Her, her influence is that she zeroed

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in on a problem that was her own

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problem, you know, in terms of the,

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the, the clothing that she could

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access, and she's found the audience

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that love that and s- and basically the

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movement's come out of, "Well, we're not

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going to cop this rubbish that, you

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know, they can't cater for us," and

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built her own thing as a result of it.

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So i- it's come from a lot of careful

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listening, which I think was a really

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critical theme for… A- and, and

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it almost seems, I think people think

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counterintuitive when you talk

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about influence, because people think

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influence means that you have to

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influence someone.

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But that can't happen unless

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you're listening to someone, because

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if you don't have an audience, if no

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one's interested in what you've

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got to say, then you're not going to

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be an influencer.

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So it has to start with the listening

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Which was- That's right … you

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know, I think her, her very powerful

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message that, that happened there

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and- Yeah … and then tuning into

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who to listen to and who not to

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listen to with all the trolling.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And that segued beautifully

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into, uh, her husband, um, Cam.

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Um, and so when-- His full name,

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Cameron Merchant, for those of you

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following along.

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Uh, when he, he- his was more of,

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um, because he is a keynote speaker, his

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was more of a like, "Here's my keynote."

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Um, he's just written a new book,

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which is called Clarity, and it was

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beautiful to hear from Jules a lot

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of the why and what she's doing in her

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story, and then Cam was, "Well, here's

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how we do it." So he focused on under-

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like what, um…

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He, he kinda used this metaphor of

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like you imagine you're watching--

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You've got so many different

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TV shows to watch when you sit down

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at night, and we kind of have this

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decision fatigue.

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How do we get clarity on

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what helps us do the things

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we need to do?

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Um, and particularly through mindset,

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through health, and, um, through

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some of those everyday strategies

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and habits that can help you do

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all of the things that we need to do.

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And it was kind of a great balance,

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um, in the program, particularly

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talking about influence, shifting

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perspective, as you said, about

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listening, but then it's also how do we

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make it happen in the everyday, um,

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and particularly for ourselves.

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Like, because, um, managing our energy,

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um, whether you're a business owner,

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you're a leader in a workplace, um,

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or a parent at home running a family,

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whatever it is that you do in life, um,

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if we, if we are not at our best,

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then we're not able to do the things

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that we need to do.

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What did you take away from it?

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Anthony Perl: Yeah, I think

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very much it was about, um, clarity

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and listening to yourself.

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I think taking that time to

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actually do that and introspectively

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and think about what it is that

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you want to do and influence yourself,

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because I think it's easy to talk about

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influencing others.

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But if you don't influence yourself,

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if you're not showing up in the

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right way and doing the things that you

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should be doing, then your ability

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to influence others is going to be,

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I guess, uh, not only minimized, but

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potentially you're self-sabotaging

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as well.

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Because you have to believe in

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yourself is, is, was a key theme as

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well throughout.

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So I thought that was a really

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important one, and it's probably a good

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segue as well into one of my favorite

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quotes, uh, from the, from the '90s.

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Can read it off here.

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"A thousand moments that begin with,

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with, um, hearing your voice." Uh,

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I think that that was incredibly

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powerful to think about that 'cause

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you want people to hear your voice,

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but you've gotta hear your own voice.

Kirryn:

Yes, that's so true.

Kirryn:

And he also, um, I definitely encourage

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you all to grab his book Clarity, um,

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'cause he's also got some great stories

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of, um, from being a professional

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cricketer and that transition of

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identity, which is true for many of us.

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You know, you do something and it's

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a highlight season in your life, and

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then you transition out of it, and

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like how do we manage our identity

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in that process?

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Um, he was over in those, the terrible

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tsunami that… He was actually

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in Thailand when that tsunami came

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Um, and you know, just seeing

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some of those dreadful things

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and managing that.

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So yeah, just a really interesting

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story of, um, also of resilience

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through those difficult times.

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So, um, definitely a shout-out to

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go grab your copy of Clarity.

Kirryn:

It's available at all bookstores now.

Anthony Perl:

I, I think as well what

Anthony Perl:

was interesting about that point

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is that you are often defined by

Anthony Perl:

such small moments in your life and

Anthony Perl:

how people might remember you,

Anthony Perl:

and that that can have a, you know,

Anthony Perl:

sometimes can have a positive influence

Anthony Perl:

and sometimes can be very debilitating

Anthony Perl:

almost on how you take yourself

Anthony Perl:

out of there.

Anthony Perl:

I, I watched on the weekend, there

Anthony Perl:

was a documentary on Netflix on Norm

Anthony Perl:

Macdonald, the, the comedian, and,

Anthony Perl:

uh, what was really interesting is,

Anthony Perl:

is that throughout his career that he

Anthony Perl:

always saw himself as a stand-up

Anthony Perl:

comedian, did lots and lots of things,

Anthony Perl:

but he's most remembered for four

Anthony Perl:

years that he did on Saturday Night Live.

Anthony Perl:

That's four years out of- Mm … I'm

Anthony Perl:

not sure how long he lived to be.

Anthony Perl:

He was in his 60s.

Anthony Perl:

And so, you know, it's such a small

Anthony Perl:

fraction of his life, but that's all

Anthony Perl:

people focus in on.

Anthony Perl:

And, uh, I, I think it's, it's

Anthony Perl:

interesting how you want to redefine

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yourself, and which probably brings

Anthony Perl:

me along to you because you've

Anthony Perl:

redefined yourself, uh, you know,

Anthony Perl:

going from banking to, you know, now

Anthony Perl:

where you are in terms of speaking.

Anthony Perl:

And I love that you spoke so much

Anthony Perl:

about, um, taking the mask off.

Anthony Perl:

So, so maybe what's your favorite,

Anthony Perl:

what's your favorite thing from that

Anthony Perl:

whole process?

Anthony Perl:

'Cause it obviously was quite a long,

Anthony Perl:

quite a long bit that you had on

Anthony Perl:

stage, but what's your highlight

Anthony Perl:

from when you start talking about

Anthony Perl:

taking the mask off?

Kirryn:

Well, in particular, I think

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we're talking about small moments,

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and that was the, the final message

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that I landed on too, is that when

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we're talking about influence, um,

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it's often not one big moment that

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creates the shift.

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It's actually thousands of

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small moments.

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And so… And, and actually that's

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what in- I talk about the connect

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effect in my work, and that's what the

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connect effect is.

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It's the small moments that make

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or break connection that help us to

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be better leaders or salespeople or

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with our customers.

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So how do we influence those

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small moments to make those

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moments matter?

Kirryn:

Um, and in my, uh, s- my section, I

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was talking about influence, in

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particular about what happens in

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the interpersonal connection

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with people.

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And I… So in my big connect

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effect… Oh, I think I just

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paused there.

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In my big connect effect, I look

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at trust, tribe, and thrive.

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And trust is kind of the, the baseline.

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How do we build that rapport and trust

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with people, um, before we create

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belonging and before we can grow?

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And I looked at trust, which was,

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I used the metaphor of the mask.

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I happen to have my little mask here

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for those of you who are online.

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Um, and I guess the concept is with that

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is- When you meet someone, whether

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it's a client or maybe it's, um,

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you're a leader and you've got team-

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people in your team, how do we

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build stronger and deeper connections

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with each other so that we can, you

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know, create high performance in our

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teams or get that sale, uh, done

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or build better relationships?

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And the way that we can build trust

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quickly is one of those ways that

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make that be more effective, and

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that's, you know, a big part of

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the, the way that we can influence

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that relationship positively.

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And the mask idea is that often we have

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a facade that we naturally will put

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up, which is like the outward facade

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of who we are.

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Um, almost like if you imagine a

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house, um, there's the outside of the

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house, but inside the house is, is

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what, um, is who… the true s- sound

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of self or who we are on the inside.

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How do we invite people inside the

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house is a way for us to do, um, you

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know, maybe be able to more effectively

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go deeper on a sale or a connection

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or a, a customer experience moment.

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So I just gave people really

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little, um, practical-- We

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first of all did an activity in the

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room, um, which is how it feels

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when you first meet someone, when

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you're building rapport and creating

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those moments of chemistry, and

Kirryn:

I gave them some really practical

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ideas about how they can go

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deeper quicker.

Kirryn:

Um, and there was a few strategies

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that we looked at in the room, um, to

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do that for like…

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And some of the ideas, as you're

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saying, about listening, um,

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using questions, uh, a couple

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of, uh, little strategies like

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that to help us go deeper quicker, um,

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so that we can do better business and,

Kirryn:

uh, build better relationships.

Anthony Perl:

I know we have to

Anthony Perl:

wrap things up in a moment or two, but

Anthony Perl:

I've got two quick questions that came

Anthony Perl:

through from, uh, people, and I put it

Anthony Perl:

out there to people who had attended the

Anthony Perl:

event if they had anything to ask, and

Anthony Perl:

that's influenced a few things.

Anthony Perl:

And yes, influenced a few things that

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we've talked about today throughout.

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And a shout-out to Paul Dunn,

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who gave me some incredible notes

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in a presentation from the event.

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Uh, one question that came in here

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was, "What's the most memorable

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moment that you've had on stage where

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you feel like you've really connected

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and had an influence on people?"

Kirryn:

From this particular moment?

Kirryn:

Um

Anthony Perl:

No, no, from a- from

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any moment that you've had on stage

Kirryn:

From any moment.

Kirryn:

Well, it's interesting.

Kirryn:

We-- I was speaking at a Nutrimetics

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event, um, recently, and in the room

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there was hundreds of super passionate

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sales consultants who are super

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passionate about what they do.

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And we actually ended again with

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the, similar to what we did, um, at

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this recent event, where we had all

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of the glow sticks.

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Um, and it was… The, the metaphor

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there is a reminder that in those glow

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sticks, there's not just one

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fluid, there's actually two.

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And it needs a… When, just like us

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in relationship, that, that when

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there's two people that come together,

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there's something that happens.

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There's a, a chemistry, there's a

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possibility, there's a, a story, there's

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a relationship that, you know, could

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flourish and bloom.

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Um, and so we actually did that

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moment with the glow sticks in the room,

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and it was truly one of those moments

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where not only did the neon lights

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light up, but all of their hearts were.

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And it was, yeah, it was very inspiring,

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I think, to see all of those happy faces

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and glow sticks cheering back, um,

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as we all remember that it's, there's

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something powerful that happens when we

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connect with others.

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So that was probably one of

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the, a highlight, a recent highlight.

Anthony Perl:

Yeah.

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And it's such a fun thing to, to

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do because you only get to play with

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those things usually when you're a kid.

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So to actually do it- Correct … when

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you're an adult and play around

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with them is good.

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So last question that I have here,

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I'm just gonna read this off here.

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Um, it says here, it came from an

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anonymous source.

It said:

"Who is your favorite

It said:

business partner who worked

It said:

with you on The Influencers? Asking

It said:

for a friend."

Kirryn:

Oh my goodness, could that

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be Russell Pearson?

Anthony Perl:

Never.

Kirryn:

Never.

Kirryn:

Anonymous source.

Kirryn:

No, truly, I think that was one of the

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takeaways of doing the event, um, I

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think putting the producer hat on

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is, you know when you plan something

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and you have all of these tiny little

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details that go into that planning,

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and then when you finish the event,

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to actually see the f- the how all

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of those things came together,

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not only, um, just stitched together,

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but beautifully.

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And I think that's a r- a, first of

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all, encouragement to everyone.

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When you love something and you

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wanna put a whole bunch of effort

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into it, um, you reap the rewards

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of the effort.

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That's one thing.

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But secondly, the benefit of

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partnership.

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Uh, Russell was… I think both of us at

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our core are similar people, but also

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our personalities and our way of

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doing things is very different, and

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together that was actually a great

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combination of skills, personality,

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and ability, which m- lifted and

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elevated all of the work that we did.

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And so it was such a delight

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to collaborate and partner.

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So I, again, just wanna invite anyone

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listening as well, you know, who could

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you be working with that, um, not

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only does it bring you joy, but also

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brings skills, ideas, perspectives,

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and helps to you to become better

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influencers, um, out into the world?

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So yeah, I think from that

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perspective, um, that was such

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a delight, um.

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From… And you know, even meeting

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people like you, Anthony, um, our

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many sponsors, our MC Maria, um, the

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amazing charity partners that

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we had as well.

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I think the… Well, exactly coming

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back to what we started with what,

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um, Russell said in the beginning,

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that influence are, is also around

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those connections that we have, the

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people that we get to work with,

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and when we create those moments, bit

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like the, the glow sticks, we actually

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light up and create a better impact

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and effect on this world altogether.

Kirryn:

So yeah, it's, it's a pleasure.

Anthony Perl:

Well, what a beautiful

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way to wrap things up for that.

Anthony Perl:

Thank you so much for being part

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of the program.

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Thank you for helping put on the

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event with Russell.

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I enjoyed being part of it as well,

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and, uh, I love this discussion.

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I'm sure we're gonna have many,

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uh, opportunities in the future to

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work together again.

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But, uh, thank you for the influence

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that, that you've had through being

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participating in this, uh, and,

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uh, hopefully the influences that

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you've had on people that have

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listened in today.

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So thank you again for being

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part of it.

Kirryn:

Absolute pleasure, and big

Kirryn:

shout-out for, um, Anthony and his

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amazing business.

Kirryn:

Um, you, you definitely, I

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recommend if…

Kirryn:

Don't do your podcasting alone.

Kirryn:

Um, working with such a amazing

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expert, um, w- what, what's your

Kirryn:

business name again?

Kirryn:

Anthony Perl: It's Podcast

Kirryn:

Done For You.

Kirryn:

Podcast Done For You.

Kirryn:

So 100% recommend Podcast Done

Kirryn:

For You.

Kirryn:

Um, have conversations like

Kirryn:

this, and it's such a wonderful way

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to communicate, to spread the word,

Kirryn:

and to put your message out there.

Kirryn:

So thank you to you, Anthony.

Kirryn:

W- it's been such a pleasure

Kirryn:

working with you.

Anthony Perl:

Thank you so much, Kirin,

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and a reminder to everyone, there'll

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be a workbook that you can download,

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uh, from a link in the show notes so

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you can get more information from

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this episode there, and also all the

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details on how to get in touch with

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Kirin as well.

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Looking forward to everyone's

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company next time on the Podcast

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Done For You show.